Minutes:Mastodon Seed Council Initial Meeting

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A Meeting of the Mastodon:Seed Council.

The purpose of this meeting is to determine the minimal decisions and structures that need to be in place for us to open registration.

Pre Meeting

Attendance

12/2/2022

Nick Halper

Natalie Steinemann

Ogul Can Yurdakul

Brad Wyble

Jordan Matelsky

Tim Verstynen

Jeremy Forest

Manisha Sinha

Jonny Saunders

Courtney Dean

Introduction

5m

  • Neuromatch overview
    • Build community and connect people across science
    • Neuromatch Open Publishing -- creating open source publishing
    • NM Data Analytics -- provide post-docs/grad students w/ a specific skill to smaller labs to provide their expertise
  • Neuromatch mission statement

Discussions

Discussions are agenda items without a defined proposal to vote on. This meeting will be mostly discussions since we are still feeling out most of these things and will likely defer firm decisions to after launch.

Purpose

10m

Basic questions:

  • Who is this instance for? (#Membership)
  • What is the shared focus/vision?

For "Neuroscientists"

  • All neuroscientists?
  • Existing Neuromatch community?
  • Neuroscientists who share the goal of self-governance and collectivity?

Shared Vision. Do we intend to be an instance for...

  • Research or
  • General communication

Notes/Discussion:

  • What is our shared vision for who our target group is?
    • Jordan: In SfN there are 30k with super different ideas, but we can adhere to the same rules most the time. People define democratizing science differently.
    • Brad: Since we are ultimately working to extend the reach of NM, then we should be more broad. People who are interested in democratizing science should be included.
    • Jonny: Having the organizing notion as the belief/principle of what communication can and should look like -- open registrations initially
    • Nick: What is the purpose of NM being a part of this, what's the purpose for NM? Is it to create a space for people to talk with each other -- those exist. There is a community of people who have this shared vision for science, come join us. How people can be intro'd to community and values.
      • Can we separate the goal vs. the how -- how to grow ourselves to a large open community can happen in many ways
    • Manisha: w/ broader audience, there is more moderation -- it can be hard, and time consuming. Discord mod mod during academy was hard. Will need to mod content too - is this mis-info, is this illegal, is this hate speech? A larger territory that we have not tackled yet in the NM before.
      • To start could be helpful to start w/ smaller group, see how it goes, and then invite larger community.
      • Need to have answers for questions, FAQs for common questions
    • Ogul: Scope of the community -- if it's only comp neuro, then the mods have to check all folks for their background. If we just do scientist, would be an easier check. Can simplify moderation for enrollment. But having a small number of people at first would be easier and then grow.
    • Jonny: providing the notion that scientist can be part of running something, and not just taking what's given (ex. journals) -- invite the people who are interested in starting open governance join us -- it will be messy but we can figure stuff out in our smaller group and then continue to invite.
      • Brad: we can be clear about the phase we are at, and hopefully the folks who do come in at the start will be helpful is getting things started -- there is an urgency w/ interest in Masadon right now, can we set a timeline for ourselves
    • Jeremy: More people means more messy. Do we have an idea of how many people are going to join? If we are expecting high number, that will create more difficulty.
      • Manisha: guessing that if we announce on NM twitter (22k followers) + linkedin (7K) + email list (~27k)
      • Jordan: is there a waiting list mechanism or way to open and close registration? --- 3 types of registration: open / closed (require approval) / fill out a form why you want to join -- waitlist seems doable

Action Items:

  • Emails are holding us back right now -- Manisha will follow up w/ Kate
  • Also should expand server size (Jordan)


Decision: we want to slowly open instance

Membership

5m?

Who is allowed to join? What will be our registration policy?

  • Jonny: I'm going to suggest that we have registration be open without credentialing, at least at the start, and then we can move towards a more structured process if we want to. Coops need some form of "good standing" which typically includes being paid up in fees and caught up on any shared labor, but since both of those are so minimal on a masto instance in my experience this can be pretty lax.

Governance

20m

How do we want to run this instance?

We don't need to decide on a fully realized governance system right now, but we should make some decisions about the high-level structure that will inform its development.

Some barebone options:

  • Cooperative Governance
    • Everyone gets an equal say, everyone contributes something back to the instance
    • Consensus-like decisionmaking: Rather than majoritarian votes, refine and adjust decisions until they meet the needs of all present members.
    • Decisions made collectively as an instance as well as within smaller working groups that are given a defined scope within which they can exercise discretion, but all members have means of making proposals with and through working groups and the whole organization.
  • Board-like Governance
    • Members have some means of submitting requests/complaints, but all decisions ultimately rest with the "board." Board can call votes and typically majority wins.
    • Republic-ish decisionmaking: Members can elect people to the board who then make the decisions.
    • Board, committee members, and general members have distinct roles, and their having those roles is what allows them to make decisions.

Connection with Neuromatch the organization

How do we maintain alignment with the mission of NM?

Moderation

20m

  • Code of Conduct: what will be allowed and importantly what will not be tolerated at any cost? #moderation  #code-of-conduct

Inter-instance

  • De/federation
  • Daily moderation

Intra-instance

  • Conflict Resolution

Division of Labor

Since this is the major sink of labor for an instance, how will be divide this among the members?

Maintenance

5m

I feel like these can be deferred to a Mastodon/Tech WG meeting after opening, but at least touching on it... (-jonny)

  • How will we keep the server running?
  • How can users report issues/bugs to us?
  • How will we handle opening issues on the repo fork?

Finances

10m

  • How do we make this instance self-sustaining? #finance #budget
  • Shared costs with NM as fiscal sponsor?
    • Using OpenCollective, we might be able to designate NM as our fiscal sponsor...
    • Expenses transparent, allow donations, (ie. neuromatch could be one donor...), use remaining expenses to guide a very gentle 'pay what you can' sliding scale recommendation.
    • Would NM be able to donate to the OC as well? help nonprofit law oh no
  • or... ?

Proposals

Proposals are agenda items with a defined outcome that the meeting attendees vote on.

They have a

  • Sponsor
  • Time
  • Specific text of outcome
  • (Optionally) Cost

Communications Mediums

Sponsor: Jonny, 5m

Multiple communication mediums are needed to run an instance! Having many mediums is only really a problem when their use is not considered from a place of filling need as part of a governance system and instead they just get strapped on without organization. From my experience in digital/meatspace coops, I've seen the need for the following kinds of communication:

  • Chat-like: Linear-ish conversations that are relatively short and organized into a handful of channels. This is necessary for moment-to-moment discussion, question asking/answering, etc. while work is happening, but also necessary for building a sense of identity and cohesion in a group
  • Forum-like: For governance, discussions need to be organized into topic-driven threads (rather than serial threads in most chat-like interfaces) that can be longer, are more stable, and more discoverable. The separation between the "business-like" forum and the "social" chatroom helps both keep out of each other's way, keeping the joy of cooperation in the chatroom without getting bogged down in business while giving shitposts their place away from the forum.
  • Wiki-like: Long-term (yet plastic) document systems for collective memory. This is where your bylaws and policies get stored. Rather than using a strictly document-oriented system like google docs, a wiki lets you have a densely interlinked system of information where everything has a defined place (the document title is the URL), but also can be found through any number of different avenues. Wikis are good for collective sensemaking because they don't suffer from the same permissions nightmares that documents do. I could go on but I will spare u all my wiki sermons.

So from that I propose that we adopt the following mediums to run the instance:

  • Discord - This could also be slack if there are strong feelings, but Discord not requiring you to pay some absolutely preposterous amount to have a large chatroom that can see further than 90 days in the past is the main reason here. Ideally we would move to Matrix eventually, but for getting started, it's very easy to send every member a link to a discord to join.
  • Loomio - Loomio is a forumlike medium with great support for voting and decisionmaking. It's built by co-opers for co-opers and we use it and love it over at social.coop. An alternative here might be Discourse but it doesn't have the same kind of support for decisionmaking in my experience, particularly when this is intended to be the governance board (rather than a general chat space).
  • Wiki - Here! This! Use this for the governing documents!

Each new member would be asked to make accounts on all three of these during onboarding :)

Bootstrapping Process

Sponsor: Jonny (and whoever else wants to edit this. Time: 10m

Sketch out and divide tasks for the work that needs to be done to open registration, and what happens between opening registration and proposing and affirming "Governance Structure v1.0"

  • In order to open registration
    • Import blocklists
    • Divide up first month mod duty
    • Create discord & loomio
  • In order to approve governance
    • Encourage proposals!
    • Find a time to have first all-instance meeting
    • Decide on governance structure v1.0

Action Items

Assigned responsibilities to carry on the decisions made in the meeting :)


Future Discussions

  • Dev Instance - making evolving the medium part of basic instance operation

See Also

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