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Cooldown#sneakers.the.rat-24-01-09 04:53:38 + (so re: [[Stoplight]] … so re: [[Stoplight]] and [[Cooldown]]s, [[Sidekiq#Cooldown]] tries to deliver something 16 times ( https://github.com/NeuromatchAcademy/mastodon/blob/eb24c0ad07c4137517e6bd37ebcc99d6e2b86797/app/workers/activitypub/delivery_worker.rb#L11 )the delay rises exponentially (^4) with each retry. So eg by the 10th retry we're delaying an average of 208 minutes, and by 16 we're at 1365 (22 hours). That delay uses sidekiq's `sidekiq_retry_in` method, which applies to each delivery task (ie. each status we're trying to push), but there is also an additional control flow tool Stoplight ( https://blog.bolshakov.dev/stoplight/ ) that applies per inbox URL (rather than per job). You start in a good (green) state. Each failure counts towards a threshold (10), after which it halts all jobs matching that inbox (red). After the cooldown period (60 seconds) it flips into a "yellow" state: if the next job succeeds, it flips back to green. If it fails, it goes immediately back to red. That configuration seems sorta... pointless to me? if it only kicks in after 10 failures, then it'll only be halting after really long delays, right? it seems like that should be a high threshold with like a really long cooldown to me - if we haven't been able to deliver like 200 messages, then cooldown for like 6 hours (i'm not sure if receiving a message clears the stoplight) receiving a message clears the stoplight))
Sidekiq#sneakers.the.rat-24-01-09 04:53:38 + (so re: [[Stoplight]] … so re: [[Stoplight]] and [[Cooldown]]s, [[Sidekiq#Cooldown]] tries to deliver something 16 times ( https://github.com/NeuromatchAcademy/mastodon/blob/eb24c0ad07c4137517e6bd37ebcc99d6e2b86797/app/workers/activitypub/delivery_worker.rb#L11 )the delay rises exponentially (^4) with each retry. So eg by the 10th retry we're delaying an average of 208 minutes, and by 16 we're at 1365 (22 hours). That delay uses sidekiq's `sidekiq_retry_in` method, which applies to each delivery task (ie. each status we're trying to push), but there is also an additional control flow tool Stoplight ( https://blog.bolshakov.dev/stoplight/ ) that applies per inbox URL (rather than per job). You start in a good (green) state. Each failure counts towards a threshold (10), after which it halts all jobs matching that inbox (red). After the cooldown period (60 seconds) it flips into a "yellow" state: if the next job succeeds, it flips back to green. If it fails, it goes immediately back to red. That configuration seems sorta... pointless to me? if it only kicks in after 10 failures, then it'll only be halting after really long delays, right? it seems like that should be a high threshold with like a really long cooldown to me - if we haven't been able to deliver like 200 messages, then cooldown for like 6 hours (i'm not sure if receiving a message clears the stoplight) receiving a message clears the stoplight))
Mastodon/Feeds#sneakers-the-rat-22-12-21 17:49:16 + (so! the "local" feed is the one that shows … so! the "local" feed is the one that shows all the toots from our instance, the "federated" feed shows all toots from everyone that everyone on the instance follow. "local-only toots" are a special feature of glitch-soc where you can make your post *only* visible to the other members of the instance (in base masto you can only limit to mentioned accounts or followers). Local feed also will show you boosts from people on our instance, I'm not sure if there's a way to turn that off but if there isn't there should be bc that would be nice[[Mastodon/Social WG#TODO]]: guides on how the different [[Mastodon/Feeds]] and [[Mastodon/Post Visibility]] work[[Mastodon/Post Visibility]] work)
Discord Messages#sneakers-the-rat-22-12-21 17:49:16 + (so! the "local" feed is the one that shows … so! the "local" feed is the one that shows all the toots from our instance, the "federated" feed shows all toots from everyone that everyone on the instance follow. "local-only toots" are a special feature of glitch-soc where you can make your post *only* visible to the other members of the instance (in base masto you can only limit to mentioned accounts or followers). Local feed also will show you boosts from people on our instance, I'm not sure if there's a way to turn that off but if there isn't there should be bc that would be nice[[Mastodon/Social WG#TODO]]: guides on how the different [[Mastodon/Feeds]] and [[Mastodon/Post Visibility]] work[[Mastodon/Post Visibility]] work)
Discord Messages#sneakers-the-rat-22-12-12 12:03:08 + (this week is a good week to finish our rul … this week is a good week to finish our rules, instance description, invite statement and make a mass coordinated announcement ♥️♥️♥️😘😘😘in cooperation, towards information liberation!!!!!pls join us in conversations in <#1050561894752198706> if you are so inclined 🙂[[Mastodon/Seed Council#TODO]]https://open.spotify.com/track/0fEasSvs63eKApKfYbi2uDTODO]] https://open.spotify.com/track/0fEasSvs63eKApKfYbi2uD)
Mastodon/Seed Council#sneakers-the-rat-22-12-12 12:03:08 + (this week is a good week to finish our rul … this week is a good week to finish our rules, instance description, invite statement and make a mass coordinated announcement ♥️♥️♥️😘😘😘in cooperation, towards information liberation!!!!!pls join us in conversations in <#1050561894752198706> if you are so inclined 🙂[[Mastodon/Seed Council#TODO]]https://open.spotify.com/track/0fEasSvs63eKApKfYbi2uDTODO]] https://open.spotify.com/track/0fEasSvs63eKApKfYbi2uD)
Camel Case#sneakers-the-rat-22-12-29 00:27:20 + (we've talked about this as well, being abl … we've talked about this as well, being able to make the bot more granularly opt-in, as well as make some simple degeneracy rules like #CamelCase == [[Camel Case]] (actually proposed that probably to no result in masto here: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/19992#issuecomment-1363496984 )don/issues/19992#issuecomment-1363496984 ))
Discord Messages#sneakers-the-rat-22-12-29 00:27:20 + (we've talked about this as well, being abl … we've talked about this as well, being able to make the bot more granularly opt-in, as well as make some simple degeneracy rules like #CamelCase == [[Camel Case]] (actually proposed that probably to no result in masto here: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/19992#issuecomment-1363496984 )don/issues/19992#issuecomment-1363496984 ))
Mastodon updates#mannaz-23-07-04 20:31:28 + (worst case scenario -- ppl get a break from scrolling our local TL for a while 😂 🙈 writing here in caps so that we [[Mastodon updates]] REMEMBER TO TAKE A BACKUP BEFORE starting.. we should have a rocess of the typical steps to follow)
Discord Messages#mannaz-23-07-04 20:31:28 + (worst case scenario -- ppl get a break from scrolling our local TL for a while 😂 🙈 writing here in caps so that we [[Mastodon updates]] REMEMBER TO TAKE A BACKUP BEFORE starting.. we should have a rocess of the typical steps to follow)
Tech WG#sneakers.the.rat-23-07-04 21:16:38 + (yes agreed we should make a wiki guide to … yes agreed we should make a wiki guide to updating the instance. I need to log off for the day bc am visiting friends, but in short it's- start backup in linode (reminder to also set you up with an account there and add that to [[Tech WG#TODO]] [[Tech WG/Onboarding]] docs- do all the git work that we're familiar with to prepare the new deploy- check upgrade notes, usually on base masto release notes, to see if anything out of the ordinary is required- pull down new changes to server- potentially recompile yarn assets- potentially run database migrations- restart mastodon-* servicesand that's usually it. downtime is usually on the order of a few seconds (and we could explore how to make that zero, I think that's how the pros do it with like multiple servers)the pros do it with like multiple servers))
Discord Messages#sneakers.the.rat-23-07-04 21:16:38 + (yes agreed we should make a wiki guide to … yes agreed we should make a wiki guide to updating the instance. I need to log off for the day bc am visiting friends, but in short it's- start backup in linode (reminder to also set you up with an account there and add that to [[Tech WG#TODO]] [[Tech WG/Onboarding]] docs- do all the git work that we're familiar with to prepare the new deploy- check upgrade notes, usually on base masto release notes, to see if anything out of the ordinary is required- pull down new changes to server- potentially recompile yarn assets- potentially run database migrations- restart mastodon-* servicesand that's usually it. downtime is usually on the order of a few seconds (and we could explore how to make that zero, I think that's how the pros do it with like multiple servers)the pros do it with like multiple servers))
Tech WG/Onboarding#sneakers.the.rat-23-07-04 21:16:38 + (yes agreed we should make a wiki guide to … yes agreed we should make a wiki guide to updating the instance. I need to log off for the day bc am visiting friends, but in short it's- start backup in linode (reminder to also set you up with an account there and add that to [[Tech WG#TODO]] [[Tech WG/Onboarding]] docs- do all the git work that we're familiar with to prepare the new deploy- check upgrade notes, usually on base masto release notes, to see if anything out of the ordinary is required- pull down new changes to server- potentially recompile yarn assets- potentially run database migrations- restart mastodon-* servicesand that's usually it. downtime is usually on the order of a few seconds (and we could explore how to make that zero, I think that's how the pros do it with like multiple servers)the pros do it with like multiple servers))

DIY Algorithms#sneakers-the-rat-23-02-07 04:15:02 + (i think it would be cool if we could pay a … i think it would be cool if we could pay a member or two to hack on the instance!! we could take proposals on what ppl would like to see improved that guide what they are working on so we actually can resolve some of the many tiny things littering our [[Mastodon/TODO]] and maybe even one or two big things like finally doing [[DIY Algorithms]] or [[Nested Threads]] or whatnot.[[Grants]] [[Mastodon/Grants]][[Mastodon/Grants]])
Discord Messages#sneakers-the-rat-23-02-07 04:15:02 + (i think it would be cool if we could pay a … i think it would be cool if we could pay a member or two to hack on the instance!! we could take proposals on what ppl would like to see improved that guide what they are working on so we actually can resolve some of the many tiny things littering our [[Mastodon/TODO]] and maybe even one or two big things like finally doing [[DIY Algorithms]] or [[Nested Threads]] or whatnot.[[Grants]] [[Mastodon/Grants]][[Mastodon/Grants]])
Grants#sneakers-the-rat-23-02-07 04:15:02 + (i think it would be cool if we could pay a … i think it would be cool if we could pay a member or two to hack on the instance!! we could take proposals on what ppl would like to see improved that guide what they are working on so we actually can resolve some of the many tiny things littering our [[Mastodon/TODO]] and maybe even one or two big things like finally doing [[DIY Algorithms]] or [[Nested Threads]] or whatnot.[[Grants]] [[Mastodon/Grants]][[Mastodon/Grants]])
Mastodon/Grants#sneakers-the-rat-23-02-07 04:15:02 + (i think it would be cool if we could pay a … i think it would be cool if we could pay a member or two to hack on the instance!! we could take proposals on what ppl would like to see improved that guide what they are working on so we actually can resolve some of the many tiny things littering our [[Mastodon/TODO]] and maybe even one or two big things like finally doing [[DIY Algorithms]] or [[Nested Threads]] or whatnot.[[Grants]] [[Mastodon/Grants]][[Mastodon/Grants]])
Mastodon/TODO#sneakers-the-rat-23-02-07 04:15:02 + (i think it would be cool if we could pay a … i think it would be cool if we could pay a member or two to hack on the instance!! we could take proposals on what ppl would like to see improved that guide what they are working on so we actually can resolve some of the many tiny things littering our [[Mastodon/TODO]] and maybe even one or two big things like finally doing [[DIY Algorithms]] or [[Nested Threads]] or whatnot.[[Grants]] [[Mastodon/Grants]][[Mastodon/Grants]])
Nested Threads#sneakers-the-rat-23-02-07 04:15:02 + (i think it would be cool if we could pay a … i think it would be cool if we could pay a member or two to hack on the instance!! we could take proposals on what ppl would like to see improved that guide what they are working on so we actually can resolve some of the many tiny things littering our [[Mastodon/TODO]] and maybe even one or two big things like finally doing [[DIY Algorithms]] or [[Nested Threads]] or whatnot.[[Grants]] [[Mastodon/Grants]][[Mastodon/Grants]])

Discord Messages#sneakers.the.rat-23-07-07 18:51:01 + (- solidarity with the fedi: to survive thi … - solidarity with the fedi: to survive this and future attempts at corporate capture, it is important to act together. many instances have already committed to defederation, and even if it is symbolic, symbols are important.- being defederated by other instances: we are currently in the good graces of some very protective instances through prior social ties and our promise to be a good actor in the space, these include instances with many leftists, queer people, and others that would likely defederate from us if we were to federate with meta. this would put NMS in a more homogeneous, corporate nice space in the fedi.- communication with threads users: some people probably want to communicate with some threads users, and this might cause dual accounts, as you say. defederation would potentially split ties. I will hold my thoughts on this for now since I'm just trying to list the relevant factors.what else? listing the concerns, we could then see how each impacts a decision to limit/defederate based on what each decision does. I am traveling and AFK until Monday, but I think it would also be good to make a [[Defederation from Meta]] wiki page to keep more organized notes. forgot to tag the previous post.ed notes. forgot to tag the previous post.)
Code Review#sneakers-the-rat-23-01-02 22:39:57 + (<@863052667857534996> do y'all have … <@863052667857534996> do y'all have anything like this for the pyopensci stuff? like a "make a feature branch off dev, make a pull request back to dev, during a code review, look for xyz" then we will also need stuff like how to do the merge and update the instance [[Hack Merging Policy]] [[Updating Mastodon]] [[Code Review]][[Code Review]])
Discord Messages#sneakers-the-rat-23-01-02 22:39:57 + (<@863052667857534996> do y'all have … <@863052667857534996> do y'all have anything like this for the pyopensci stuff? like a "make a feature branch off dev, make a pull request back to dev, during a code review, look for xyz" then we will also need stuff like how to do the merge and update the instance [[Hack Merging Policy]] [[Updating Mastodon]] [[Code Review]][[Code Review]])
Hack Merging Policy#sneakers-the-rat-23-01-02 22:39:57 + (<@863052667857534996> do y'all have … <@863052667857534996> do y'all have anything like this for the pyopensci stuff? like a "make a feature branch off dev, make a pull request back to dev, during a code review, look for xyz" then we will also need stuff like how to do the merge and update the instance [[Hack Merging Policy]] [[Updating Mastodon]] [[Code Review]][[Code Review]])
Updating Mastodon#sneakers-the-rat-23-01-02 22:39:57 + (<@863052667857534996> do y'all have … <@863052667857534996> do y'all have anything like this for the pyopensci stuff? like a "make a feature branch off dev, make a pull request back to dev, during a code review, look for xyz" then we will also need stuff like how to do the merge and update the instance [[Hack Merging Policy]] [[Updating Mastodon]] [[Code Review]][[Code Review]])
Discord Messages#mannaz-23-07-07 20:10:07 + (@here [[Announcements]] … @here [[Announcements]] hello #neuromatchstodon membies So far <@305044217393053697> and I have been doing most of the admin and moderation work in cooperation with the rest of the instance members. We are excited to welcome new members joining our working groups!🎉 🥳 This has been a long time coming but our very own #MastoDev <@485848481995423755> (who contributed to the exclusive lists PR that got merged upstream) is joining our <#1049184335514828860> 🙌 And the amazing <@961628326005440552> (who is one of the organizers of #Maystodon #JoinMastodonDay and #NeuroParty) is joining the <#1049184264832417823> 🙌 Thank you both for your outstanding contributions ❤️ 🙏832417823> 🙌 Thank you both for your outstanding contributions ❤️ 🙏)
Announcements#mannaz-23-07-07 20:10:07 + (@here [[Announcements]] … @here [[Announcements]] hello #neuromatchstodon membies So far [[Jonny]] and [[Manisha]] have been doing most of the admin and moderation work in cooperation with the rest of the instance members. We are excited to welcome new members joining our working groups!🎉 🥳 This has been a long time coming but #MastoDev extraordinaire [[Lina]] (who contributed to the Exclusive Lists PR that got merged upstream) is joining our [[Tech_WG]] 🙌 And the amazing [[El]] (who is one of the organizers of #Maystodon #JoinMastodonDay and #NeuroParty) is joining our [[Social_WG]] 🙌 Thank you both for your outstanding contributions ❤️ 🙏th for your outstanding contributions ❤️ 🙏)